Wednesday, June 20, 2012

Lenny Esposito vs Richard Carrier Debate: Does God Exist?

In this debate, which took place at the University of California, Riverside on May 23, 2012, Lenny Esposito and Richard Carrier debate the topic: Does God Exist? This audio is 75 minutes debate and 75 minutes audience Q&A. In addition to the debate, Lenny has released a point-by-point response to Richard Carrier's arguments. Find it here: Answering Richard Carrier's Arguments MP3. Visit Lenny's homepage at, and sign up for his newsletter for updates on the video of the debate.

Full Debate MP3 Audio here (2hr 22min)


Anonymous said...

I honestly thought Esposito was going to get destroyed being that he doesn't have an extensive formal debating history and Carrier is no idiot. To my mind, Esposito did really well and arguably won by a hair. Funny, though, how Esposito's style and strategies were much like Bill Craig's! The influence that man has had on us all : )


Thanks for the link, Brian!

Anonymous said...

Why is the audio all hacked up?

Brian said...

What do you mean about the audio?

Anonymous said...

This is actually one of my favorite points to make:
According to their arguments, the multi-verse (other universes with different dimensions and rules for their own sciences determined by the specific amount of dark energy present) DOES exist. Why then, if we believe that there are realms beyond our science, our understanding and our rules physics, is it that this means that there is no God? If he does exist, he would be exactly that- beyond the understanding of our science. Science is a facet of his imagination, not the other way around.

Ash said...

Re: Anonymous

That there are "realms beyond our science, our understanding and our rules [of] physics" does not mean that there is no God. It also doesn't mean that there is a God.

As an atheist, I am very open to the idea of such realms. I would be fascinated to know of their existence, to study them, to ponder their genesis. This is the stuff that makes science fiction so appealing to many.

But none of this means that I have to make assumptions about any reality which go beyond what I can logically, and honestly, assume. I do not believe in God because I have not seen any convincing evidence - it's as simple as that. I am under no allegiance to any dogma, and I can be convinced otherwise at any time.

And even if I were to grant you that multi-verses imply the existence of a God, we've arrived at deism. You still need to take me from the creator of quantum mechanics, the fabric of space and time, stars, galaxies, universes, the virgin birth.

Unknown said...

"That there are "realms beyond our science, our understanding and our rules [of] physics" does not mean that there is no God. It also doesn't mean that there is a God."

You're right, but try thinking of an immaterial something outside space time that can cause something? WLC "mind" hypothesis is the most plausible. We can only make predictions to the limits of our knowledge, even if he's wrong its still the most plausible.

Can you think of an immaterial cause other than a mind? My mind is not material, even if you are materialist you cannot say that your mind is material. The fact that I can will my arm move shows me that the immaterial can cause material objects to do things.

Joe Sonseed said...

Okay, I'm not the only one who thought that Esposito was pretty much rehashing WLC's debates (even down to the Michael Ruse quote). I'd rather it be that he was just reciting Craig's work rather than it be the case that all apologists are unoriginal.

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