Friday, July 18, 2014

Bobby Conway Interview Transcript

The following transcript is from an Apologetics 315 interview with Bobby Conway. Original audio here. Transcript index here. If you enjoy transcripts, please consider supporting, which makes this possible.

BA: Hello, this is Brian Auten of Apologetics315. Today’s interview is with Bobby Conway. Bobby is the Lead Pastor of Life Fellowship in Charlotte, North Carolina. He is also the founder of the One Minute Apologist, a creative YouTube ministry designed to give quick answers to curious questions. He is also author of the book, Hell, Rob Bell, and What Happens When People Die. The purpose of this interview is to learn a bit more about Bobby and his ministry, explore the use of multi-media and apologetics, look at apologetics in the church, and get his advice for those studying apologetics. Well, thanks for joining me for this interview Bobby.

BC: Well, it’s great to be with you Brian, thank you for having me on today.

BA: Well, I appreciate you being with me today, and would you mind telling our listeners a bit about the sort of ministry you’re in today?

BC: You bet. I’m actually, first and foremost, I serve as the Lead Pastor of Life Fellowship Church, a church that I started about eight years ago in the Charlotte area. I’m also involved in doing some marriage conferences with Family Life Today. My wife and I speak on the national Weekend to Remember speakers team. But, the reason I’m on with you today is for a ministry I do called The One Minute Apologist, which is a video ministry that I put together a few years back that we’re real exited about.

BA: Yeah well, the people can find that at, or if they go on YouTube, it’s There’s a huge channel there with tons of videos, and they’re all like short and sweet, little answers to apologetic questions, and given by some of the biggest names in apologetics, you’ve got Gary Habermas, William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, a whole list of different guys. So, it’s an excellent ministry, and a great way to share and introduce people to apologetics. So, what got you interested in apologetics, if we could rewind a bit, you know, you’re a pastor, but you’re also doing apologetics ministry and incorporating that, so what got you interested in that area?
BC: This is really a simple answer to your question. It was simply actually evangelism. I grew up in California, I never heard the gospel until I was nineteen years old. I was playing college baseball and a buddy of mine took me to hear an evangelist by the name of Greg Laurie. And I would go week after week, and eventually, I placed my faith in Christ. And I started to want to know how to share the gospel once I kinda got my Christian walk in order, and God freed me from some of these party burdens in my past. I headed off to Bible College in Arkansas, and when I was there, I just started going out and sharing the gospel with people. Literally, Brian, I was carrying a personal evangelism of fifty to a hundred people a week. No one taught me how to do evangelism, my burden just took me and taught me. And what was happening is, I was out in the campuses, people would ask me questions, and I didn’t know how to answer the questions they were asking.

And so in a lot of ways, it’s how the Holy Spirit began to disciple me, as people asked me questions, and I would go and learn how to respond to those questions that they had asked. And in many ways it was simply my love for people, my desire to see people come to Christ, that’s how I got into apologetics. I wasn’t looking for answers, I wasn’t looking for information, I simply wanted people to know Jesus, and I found that this was a great tool for removing certain obstacles that people have in their life that was prohibiting them from being able to see their desperate need for Jesus.

BA: Well, that’s good, that’s actually one of the things that got me into apologetics as well. I was doing street evangelism and the questions just started to come. So sometimes I wonder, some people who don’t see the need for apologetics, sometimes I think, have you tried evangelizing lately? You do need apologetics. I like how you said that it’s a tool for removing obstacles. How do you see the overlap with apologetics and evangelism and how they work together?

BC: I think that as we go off and we share the gospel, we’re going to bump into people that are in different places. And so, there’s different starting points when it comes to evangelism, so if I’m trying to share the gospel with somebody and then all of a sudden I decide to start getting arguments for the existence of God with somebody who’s a theist but not a Christian, I’m wasting my time. And so, I think where apologetics can be a nice tool, and nicely outfit the Christian with a great way to detect where somebody’s at is by having a good grasp of apologetics. You can begin to figure out where the starting place is and what the obstacles are that people have. And so, if somebody’s an atheist then starting at the bible is not really where someone might start.

They might start with some arguments for the existence of God, and they might move their way to the bible. If somebody who’s a theist, then you might want to talk to them about special revelation, and then you can start talking to them about the reliability of scripture. And so, I think that our apologetic approach if it’s beefed up well, it can really help us know how to cut the fat so to speak out of our conversations to really zero in on what it is that we really need to help them with. And then ultimately, even though I do apologetics and evangelism, we believe that the Holy Spirit has to take our words and bring them to bear on the person’s heart and mind, because without the Holy Spirit, our apologetics is certainly not going to save anybody.

BA: Well, those are good insights. Now, I would like to know your insights as a pastor as well, and so as a pastor, what’s been your experience with the need for apologetics in the church? You mentioned how unbelievers or skeptics, people you’re evangelizing, we need to remove obstacles, but then there are believers, but they need it too, so how does that work with you as a pastor?

BC: This is so important. I’ve been playing with this phrase, doubting towards faith, doubting towards faith, and what I mean by that is I think we’re living in a time where doubt is more prevalent than ever before in America. When I think that John the Baptist who baptized Jesus and said, “Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.” Well basically, when he was on death row, if he could doubt, and he was the cousin of Jesus, if he could doubt, how much more are we susceptible to doubts two thousand years removed from that time, let alone being in a culture with over forty thousand denominations world-wide, and being in a culture that’s in America filled with pluralism, it’s got a melting pot of beliefs with relativism, new atheism, we’ve got our work cut out for us from the local church, and it’s not only for helping people that are non-believers, to deal with their doubts, but we’ve got believers that are just confused.

The churches confuse them, pastors have confused them, books have confused them, and you’ve got these competing religions, competing ideas, and so it’s so important that we clean up our thinking and know how to talk well. And so, my experience is the lack of bible teaching in the church today is essentially creating the perfect storm for the greatest harvest field of apostasy ever to take place. So many of these churches that are starting today, that aren’t teaching theology, scriptures, and it’s about relationships and telling stories. I’m all for telling stories, I’m all for relationships, but if we do not give substance to our people, if we don’t help them to understand the competing world views that are out there, what we could be doing in starting a church is basically setting up a huge harvest field for people like new atheists and others just to prey on.

BA: Well, it’s…

BC: It’s Scary.

BA: It’s a sobering thought, and it just calls to mind just the importance of guarding the flock against false teaching, abhorrent theology, and just the usefulness of critical thinking and removing the things that cause doubt and make people want to doubt their faith, or, oh well, maybe I’ll just delve into the reading of atheist literature. Now I am curious about the practical application, what sort of things you might do to incorporate apologetics into teaching, preaching a ministry, you know, there are apologetic sermons or there might be classes that certain churches offer, Sunday School things, what things have worked for you, and what strategies do you see that might be useful?

BC: Yeah. Let me tackle that, and me just close off, I mentioned the phrase doubting toward faith, Brian, and I think it’s important, if any of my listeners are wondering what I meant by that, I like the way Os Guinness talks about doubt. He talks about it being of two minds, nobody can just live in a permanent state of doubt. And so, I’ve been just playing with this idea, that we’re either going to doubt toward unbelief, or we can doubt toward faith. And we all have doubts at one time or another, emotional doubts, intellectual doubts, spiritual doubts, but in the church we need to help people to doubt toward faith. And in the church, it’s not often a safe culture to doubt. Sadly, people can struggle with all kinds of emotional issues, but then if somebody struggles with doubt, we just make them feel like the biggest sinners in the world. And I think people need a place where they can doubt, but if pastors, and leaders want to help them doubt toward faith. So, apologetics, to answer your question, it’s important in the church, and some of the ways that we’ve tried to incorporate it into the fabric of our ethos and our pathos, and everything that we’re about, the DNA of our church is, I teach the books of the bible, that’s kind of my style, I go back and forth between Old Testament and New Testament, and one of the reasons I do that is I believe it’s easy for pastors just to stay on their hobbies and avoid those hard passages, and it forces me to deal with some of the more difficult passages.

So I’ve been in Genesis for over a year now, and by being in Genesis, as problem passages arise, passages that we struggle with, and we might not know how to resolve, I try to bring out those tensions. And so I try to do apologetics preaching, so that’s one way. Use opportunities when you come to passages and scripture that are being critiqued, don’t gloss over those, really bring those out and let people know this is under attack today, here’s how I want to help you, and I’ll tell the church sometimes, you might forget these things, but when you’re off in college or in your classes, you’ve got to remember there are answers to these things. Another thing we did was bring in guest speakers, I’ve had Frank Turek, and Mike Licona, and Norman Geisler, and others speak in the church. From time to time I do Sunday night seminars, I’ve done one on hell, I did one called, The Homosexual Question, Is It A Sin Or Not?” We had one done on Islam. And so as for these seminars on Sunday night, I think we’re going to be doing one on politics coming up called The Issues We face, and just helping people to think about what would the bible have to say about going into the voting booth? So, I really think that it’s our role in the ministry to equip people to think Christianly. Last year we actually did an apologetics conference for our church. And in the One Minute Apologist ministry that I do is actually a ministry of our church, it’s a local church ministry that we’re doing, and then we teach the youth as well. I think it’s gotta start with the youth Brian in particular, like if parents come to our church, when their kids enter into seventh grade, we put a piece of paper in their hands that explains their whole growth trajectory from seventh grade until they graduate from high school, where they’ll learn about the role of being a man or a woman, where they’ll learn about worldview, apologetics, systematic theology, bible, spiritual disciplines. And so, those would just be a whole host of things that we found to try to be effective in doing that.

BA: Well, that’s a great array of things, a lot of great ideas. I’m thinking that perhaps some pastors are listening, and maybe they’re seeing the need for apologetics, but there’s nothing in their church right now. What would be maybe some advice you’d want to give them to just ease into it or to get into it, and you know, say a pastor’s coming to you and asking for some insights, where would you want to point them?

BC: I think first of all, before a pastor thinks about getting apologetics in the church, first and foremost, to make sure that he’s sharing the gospel, and the church is sharing the gospel. You said a statement that I really resonate with at the beginning, and it’s this idea that if we’re not sharing the gospel, then we’re not going to realize how important apologetics is. I mean, when somebody says apologetics isn’t important, what they’ve just revealed to us is they haven’t been sharing the gospel. And so, if we get out there and we share the gospel, that’s going to create the burden for apologetics. So that would be the first thing. Secondly, I would encourage a pastor just to make sure they’re an apologetic preacher, that they dig into the word. People are starving for the truth right now, and I think many pastors can hide behind their doubts by avoiding teaching certain passages of the bible, and I think they need to come face to face with one passage at a time, and explore that with their church family. I think that being a student of apologetics is critical.

Many pastors unfortunately they quit learning after seminary, and this is a tragedy Brian. I really feel like we need to continue to be students, we need to be thoughtful, we should be as scholarly as we possibly can in the pulpit. I think that that’s huge. Some other things I’d say is that if there’s a conference, go to that, perhaps even getting your small groups engaged, or your Sunday School engaged, maybe going through a book, Tim Keller’s Reason For God is a nice place to start, it’s very very readable. I would say they’re more than welcome to use our One Minute Apologist clips in their sermons, they’re short, pastors are doing that now, professors are doing that. And then I think the last thing I’d say Brian is, I’d want to say how important it is to be cautious, to make sure that as they lead their church into the world of apologetics, to have a humble apologetic as Jane Thayer talks about. I think we need more broken apologists who aren’t afraid to say, I don’t know. And it can be overwhelming, we can start reading all this information and there could be this subtle temptation toward arrogance, and I think I love this statement of the late Scottish evangelist, Gypsy Smith, who said, there are five gospels: Matthew, Mark, Like, and John, and yourself, and most people will never read the first four. And I think our life is an apologetic, and I’m working on a book right now called, The Fifth Gospel: Your Life As An Apologetic because I really feel like that we can’t go and learn all this information and then lose sight of how important it is that we really flesh out showing what it looks like to love each other. Jesus said, the world will know you are my disciples by your love for one another. So there’s this apologetic of love that was such a passion of Francis Schaeffers that we need to recapture in our culture today.

BA: Wow, a lot more good insights there as well, thank you Bobby. Now I want to talk a bit about multimedia and the internet and such. You’ve got this great YouTube ministry, The One Minute Apologist, and as you mentioned, a lot of people use that, and a lot of our listeners have probably come across it. What’s your goal behind it, how do see people being able to use it? You mentioned how some pastors are incorporating the clips into their sermons occasionally, and how do you get all these great guests, are you stealing them from conferences?

BC: You know what’s funny? The last thing I ever would have thought of doing is interviews. You know, I’m used to speaking as a pastor at conferences I might be doing, and what happened was, about three years ago we had the opportunity to take our set to the One Minute Apologist and show up at the conference, the National Apologetics Conference, in Charlotte. The vision for the One Minute Apologist, literally came out standing in my kitchen one night, and I thought wouldn’t it be great to put together some creative, short, YouTube videos, not because we’re not passionate about depth, we are, but just things to get people to go toward depth, and so we thought, let’s put some little videos together.

And so, it was really the desire for me to do all these, and then I started getting these interview opportunities at the apologetics conference, and then I got to come back for the last couple years and do that, and then when I bring speakers into the church, that’s when I do it as well. So fortunately, we are in the apologetics Mecca so to speak of the world here in Charlotte, and it’s provided those opportunities for me. But this year, my goal is to do a hundred new videos, and I don’t know that I’m going to do as many interviews as I’d like, I hope to, as it’s sure fun getting the privilege to interact with some of these great scholars.

BA: Well, I like what you said there about pointing towards depth, you’re not wanting to give people just pat answers to big questions of faith and life, but I also do think that it is important as apologists, some of these things can help us maybe hone or refine our own concise replies when someone asks us a question, because I don’t know about other people, but I rarely have thirty minutes to unpack an issue for somebody when they raise this quick objection. So, can you talk a bit about this idea of always being ready, and maybe how these videos can help people?

BC: Yeah, and I do want to share because it can have maybe the wrong connotation, The One Minute Apologist, we are not trying to say that apologetics needs to be reduced to a minute. The goal of The One Minute Apologist program is we recognize we’re living in a culture where people like things done well, and so creativity, and when I look at the apologetics, I think sometimes we need to be more relational, and more creative, and we can be more succinct. And so, that’s what we try to provide at The One Minute Apologist, the interviews, it has a relational component, it’s creative, and it’s succinct, but at the end of each episode, we offer up books on many of the episodes where they can go for further reading. And so when you think about apologetics, or I think about apologetics, I think it’s important for us to think in terms of tiers, there’s just different tiers. And so what we’re doing, we’re just trying to give kind of commercials to get people passionate about apologetics. But then, what different ministries are doing, they have a different approach. There’s different tiers to try to get people to go deeper in their apologetics.

But ultimately, I think as we learn apologetics, we all have to realize that if somebody needs our time and we’ve got thirty minutes, great, or if we’ve got an hour, great. But, what do we do when we only have a short amount of time? Like sometimes when I’m doing radio interviews and they have people calling in and asking me questions on the radio, I can’t just take thirty minutes and take the time to answer the question the way I want because the commercials are coming no matter how burdened I feel about my answer. And so, it’s important to know how to figure out what you want to say in a pithy, succinct way, that will just point them to deeper truth.

BA: Yeah, that’s good. Well, speaking of the depth, and academic work, Bobby, you’ve done some academic work leading up to your ministry of course, and working in the areas of theology and apologetics. Perhaps some of our listeners, they’re exploring, and they’re kicking around the idea of maybe getting a masters, or some sort of degree in apologetics, and their wanting information, their wanting guidance from somebody who’s been down that road ahead of them. So, would you be willing to give some advice for those who are looking to study apologetics in that way?

BC: Yeah, and I think that’s so important that we never quit learning, that we’re always learning, we’re always growing. In fact, right now I’m in the application process of applying to work on another doctorate. I want to do a PhD in the UK, and I’m looking into different programs to kinda go into a specialized field. And I think that we should never stop learning, we always want to keep stretching ourselves. A couple of things I would say, first of all, just make sure your motive is right to somebody, when they want to go about doing apologetics. I think that it’s not about just getting information to beat people up with our arguments, and so I think when we do apologetic work, we should have an evangelistic piece connected to it, that we should really want to be able to help figure out a way to use our apologetics to further the gospel and to reach people. I’ve met many apologists who know a lot, but I’m not always starving for what they have, and so again, back to making sure that their heart is staying solid with God while they’re learning.

I would say to somebody as well, figure out how they want to go about studying, do they want to do online, or do they want to move somewhere? Do they want to do it part-time, or do they want to do it full-time? And some good programs that are out there right now that offer masters in apologetics, Southern Evangelical Seminary in Charlotte has an on-line and an on-campus program. Biola as well has an apologetics program. Denver Seminary I think newly released one on apologetics and ethics. And Oxford Center for Christian Apologetics, associated with Ravi Zacharias, where people can actually get the opportunity to get a two year masters degree in apologetics from Oxford, and be able to study with Alister McGrath, and just all these great scholars that are in the world as well as John Lennox. So that’s just a few of the things I would say that people should be thinking about, asking if the timing’s right, you know, some of those things.

BA: Yeah, those are good insights. Now you mentioned reading, Bobby, and I know you’re a big reader. And isn’t that a huge key whether or not someone has a degree, being a Christian, and being apologetics minded really does require someone to be immersed in books. So, you mentioned just a bit there about the importance of being sort of a life-long learner, but would you expand on that a bit and talk about maybe some personal disciplines that you think are required if someone’s pushing in that direction?

BC: This is huge. I really see apologetics as our disciplined was of loving the world with our minds so that we are prepared to give an answer. And, for those that feel called into that ministry of apologetics, it’s going to be really important to spend some time studying and learning. It’s kinda like the person who says, you know, I feel called to teach, and one of the things I’ll ask people, if you feel called to teach, do you have a love for studying? Because, if you don’t have a love for studying, you’re not going to have anything to teach about. And it’s the same way in apologetic work, if we’re wanting to engage in apologetics, we have to take time to study. And so, some of the just practical tips that I would say, is I’d say first of all just make sure that you carve out certain blocks of time in your schedule. And everybody’s schedule is different. As a pastor, I’m fortunate, because I can spend a lot of time in studying, so you know, but I even stretch myself more to try to get to the office by six thirty, and then I don’t do any meetings in the morning unless it’s an elders meeting.

On Friday it’s all study until twelve thirty. And then, I use my afternoons for relationship time, for administration, for meetings. And so, I think that as people carve out certain blocks of time, they need to carve out the time where their energy is best as possible for study. I think even having friends who they can share their learnings with is critical. Just getting friends that they can bounce their ideas off, having friends that they can share their stuff with is good. I think reading intentionally Brian, is really important as well. And I think we can become so sporadic in the way that we read, and we don’t really have a disciplined approach, and I think part of being a disciplined reader means we have an intentional way about doing it. So, I would encourage people first of all, just to read the major introductions out there, read introductions on apologetics or an introduction to philosophy or introduction to world religion or cults. And then kinda go into the specialized aspect of things. I know for me, I did my bachelors degree, I got a bible degree, and then I did my masters in theology and then I got a doctorate of ministry in apologetics, and I really like that flow because I think for our listeners, if they are passionate about apologetics, then starting with the bible, you know, building out your theology, and then really digging in to the apologetics and philosophy.

I also think Brian, as people get engaged in this aspect, that they don’t get overwhelmed. Apologetics is such a rabbit hole, and we need to realize we can’t know it all. Every book I read reveals ten more that I want to read, and I almost can get overwhelmed, and then I go to websites like Apologetics315, and I see all this new posts in one day and I think, how in the world, you know that’s great Brian, and I want to jump in and read that and read that, and I think Apologetics315 is a great tool because it allows people to kind of have a broad knowledge, you provide great reviews, but eventually, we want to specialize in some passion areas. You know, when I was in seminary Brian, Professor Hendericks, we called him Prof, he had a great principle, and he called it his 40/20 principle. And he said we should read for forty minutes, and then reflect for twenty. And apologetics, just the nature of the information, it takes some reflection time, and so I think that whole idea, read and reflect, read and reflect, will help the apologist, because you can just read for an hour, or read for thirty minutes, however much time you have. Take about half of that time or a third of that time that you set aside to reflect, and take notes and write things down. And that will allow stuff to go from the head to heart, and really integrate the learner. And the last thing I would say to anybody who just kind of jumps into apologetics reading, I think is to make sure that they balance their head reading with heart reading. I know for me, there’s been seasons where I get so obsessed learned apologetics that I start reading, but then I’ll find that heart’s shrinking for God, and it think what’s important is to make sure we have a good devotional life in place where we’re reading some devotional literature, where we’re spending time in God’s scriptures, asking the Holy Spirit to apply things to our life, singing music to God, just worshipping Him, because that’s the stuff that’s going to keep us humble, that’s the stuff that’s going to give us the integrity to say, I don’t know when we’re asked questions, and that’s the stuff that’s gonna help us to not become detached apologists who are just big in our minds and small in heart.

BA: Wow, tons of great stuff there Bobby, and I appreciate all of that, and you mentioned books there. Speaking of books, I want to point our listeners to one you’ve authored, and it’s entitled, Hell, Rob Bell, and What Happens to People When They Die. So, I’d ask you what it’s about, but the title is pretty self-explanatory. So but, what’s your goal here, and why do you think this is an important topic?

BC: Well, you know, I’m not trying to beat up on Rob Bell, I mean he seems like a nice guy, he’s really creative, at the same token, we’re called to keep people on track theologically, and my concern is more with the subjective hermeneutic. Rob Bell concedes the point that he’s not a theologian, and that’s a problem. In fact, I think it’s a problem Brian that pastors comfortably say that kind of thing. I know what they mean, they’re saying they’re not a scholar, but at the end of the day, every pastor’s got to be a theologian. I mean, your pulpit roll is teaching people about who God is, and it’s imperative to us as pastors that we’re teaching the truth. And so, in Bell’s book, he comes so close to universalism, in fact, I don’t call him a universalist, I think he has a couple places in his book Love Wins that protects him from that, so people end up reading what I call it in the chapter called “A Name for It,” I describe him as a post-mortem, nuanced-purgatorial, inclusivist. I know that’s a mouthful, but at the end of the day, yeah and there’s a lot there, but at the end of the day, Bell in my opinion Brian, when people buy into that, and they start thinking about that, you know what, everyone’s going to be pretty much absorbed into heaven, what it does I think is it just kills our evangelistic fervor. I think that it ends up just really weakening the evangelistic mission of the church. I think it also misleads people because there’s people that are non-believers thinking, you know what, I’ll wait until my post-mortem opportunity to place my faith in Jesus, and I think the bible’s really clear, it’s pointed for man once to die and then the judgment.

So, I wrote this book because I care about people not being deceived. In fact, I think the most unloving thing we can do as Christians is not tell the world about hell, in a broken, honest way. I think that we’ve got to share both sides of the gospel. That there’s grace, but there’s a God who will deal with our sins if we don’t look to Jesus Christ. I think that’s just being honest with scriptures, and so even non-believers, even non-believers, can look at the scriptures and tell there’s a hell. In fact, new atheists will use things like hell. They’re more clear on that doctrine than Rob Bell is. And so, that becomes a problem. I think that we just have to be honest with it and we just have such a desire to placate to our culture to make things more digestible, and we have to serve the truth in love and trust God with the results.

BA: Alright, well that’s good, and I know that that’s been an issue that’s come up with Rob Bell’s teaching on hell, and his kind of stirring up the pot in that area. So, maybe if people are still not sure how to approach that, maybe we can point them to your book here on the blog post. Now, I want to mention another great resource, more straight apologetics here, and that’s the On Guard DVD curriculum. And this is sort of a companion study resource for William Lane Craig’s On Guard: Defending Your Faith With Reason and Precision, a really great book, but now we’ve got the supplemental DVDs. Can you talk a bit about them and the process you went through to create this resource?

BC: Yeah, you bet, and I always hate to back up on people who are interviewing me, but it’s just to say when I mentioned the true atheists are more clear, please, to the people who are listening, don’t think that I’m saying that they’ve got a perfect understanding of God and judgment, by any stretch of the matter. But to answer your question Brian, I think this is one of the highlights of my ministry, just having the privilege to spend a few days with Dr. Craig. I was actually with him in Israel, Reasonable Faith flew out to Israel and I got to go with him and we got talking about putting together a DVD curriculum based on his book On Guard. And so, the same group that helps put together my One Minute Apologist episodes shot these videos, and it’s eight videos where I interview Dr. Craig on the different chapters of his book. And it’s designed in such a way, for people in the local church to use it in small group settings, or in Sunday school format, and we really wanted to be able just to help people to have a visual tool where I’m interviewing him based on his book. And you know, I’ve watched these videos and he’s just brilliant, and he’s an amazing philosopher and apologist, and I think anything we can learn from him will be helpful. I do think that we gotta make sure that the people are really ready to dig in because you start with a book like that, even though Dr. Craig would see that more of a beginning kind of book, I would see it as more of an intermediate book. I mean it’s a pretty sturdy apologetics book for the beginner.

BA: Yeah, it’s a great way, and I remember reading Reasonable Faith a couple of times and then getting On Guard and thinking, ah this makes it a lot clearer, but then I thought, there’s still so much meat in here, and we used it for our Reasonable Faith chapter, and we went through most of the chapters in the book for Reasonable Faith Belfast, and yeah, it was tough going for a number of people in the group, and yeah, well, I’m just used to his stuff, and familiar with it, but it is, you’re right, it’s more of an intermediate study. So, I hope those supplemental DVDs will just be add another layer of understanding, and probably depth I imagine. But, now for small group study it’s a good resource for that, but I want to point people to these on the blog, but if people want to get hold of these resources, or other materials by yourself, where would you like to point them, Bobby?

BC: Yeah, well, for my book, they can go to Amazon, it’s there. And for the DVDs, at our website, that’s where they can find those DVDs and we can get those kits right out to them so they can start using those.

BA: Alright, well, we’ll link to both those resources online. Bobby, thanks again, it’s been a real pleasure speaking with you today.

BC: Hey Brian, it was a privilege speaking with you, and thank you for all the work you’re doing in the apologetic world.


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